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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:00 PM
I didn't really force him into a certain form or personality, so he had pretty much full creative direction. What probably happened was the easiest thing for him to do was to become a part of my brain I was desperately trying to get rid of: my "edginess"
10:00 PM
Or something like that
10:00 PM
He just became angst incarnate
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I don't think attributing it to that randomly is necessarily the most logical conclusion.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:01 PM
It's at least a theory
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Repression. That’s interesting
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Generally speaking, early development comes with some angst.
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it's difficult to predict, but not inherently random
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Not in every case, certainly. But - it is quite common.
10:02 PM
@Radium Alarie May I ask your age?
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:02 PM
@SkyeNet 16 turning 17
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Could it be not fully developed to cause that?
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Byers.-- 📸 5/6/2018 10:03 PM
Winter, what is your age if I may ask?
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I see. Then, it is very easily possible that simple hormone changes could be causing the angst you refer to.
10:03 PM
22.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:03 PM
Absolutelty
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Byers.-- 📸 5/6/2018 10:03 PM
Ah, I see. I'm almost 25.
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I assume that's your host's age, not how long you've been around as a tulpa?
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I'm 24
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Alright.
10:04 PM
@Srn347 Yes, because physical age is generally what matters more.
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makes sense (I'm 24 btw)
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At the very least, I was merely asking in order to check if any angst on Radon's part is likely to be due to age. It seems like that is a quite reasonable possibility.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:05 PM
Probably
10:05 PM
But then again I myself am not an angsty person
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Perhaps hormones.
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Ah - keep in mind that you may act angsty yourself at times without noticing it, as is fairly common around that age.
10:06 PM
"Acting angsty" is something difficult to judge from the perspective of the person acting.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:06 PM
I can usually sense myself pretty well
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Even so.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:07 PM
mmmh
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well the personality of the tulpa isn't always the personality of the host, even if you're not angsty (and are an accurate enough self-evaluator to make that determination), your tulpa might be
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This is also true.
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:09 PM
Yes
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Well thought. It’s best to keep in mind they are a separate entity that think for themselves aswell, and don’t necessarily have to be an interpretation of their host, or their attributes.
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Byers.-- 📸 5/6/2018 10:10 PM
^
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Radium Alarie 5/6/2018 10:10 PM
Fair
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That's a good way to put it @Jasper
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:32 AM
So it can be inferred that regardless of forcing, your Tulpa is gonna come out at least a little like you, correct?
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AmeLumineux 5/7/2018 1:33 AM
you share the same brain so presumably yes
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:35 AM
So it'd be fair to say that my habit of friendly... The only way to describe it is light bullyin', will probably be passed on, huh?
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nope
1:35 AM
I mean, it can happen, but traits like that aren't the deep level stuff that sticks around
1:36 AM
not in my opinion, at least. What you have to look at is the deep underlying reasons for having a belief to really see the simliarities, for skin-deep purposes a tulpa can be 100% diffent in opinion
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None of your traits will be impressed upon them unless you make it so. They are able to process their own emotions and put together their own opinions.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:37 AM
I wouldn't say it's skin deep, considerin' that it's kind of... A family trait.
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nah, that's a high layer description of opinion that's easy to be different in a certain context or mindset
1:37 AM
stuff like, your emotional reaction to a stimulus, is what might stay the same
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It’s not necessarily a trait. It’s a behavior, which can only be taught, not inherited.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:39 AM
Beg to differ. In fact, I could draw ya a diagram of behaviors in both immediate and distant family in several- okay that's off topic. Tell me more about things that get passed on, please.
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I think an opinion, when it comes to tulpa, derives from either "I am X" or "I was X", meaning that your tulpas being different largely revolves around either them being forced or having "deviated" as such that you say that your tulpa is (personality trait here) or that your tulpa has a background that makes them react a certain way.
1:43 AM
lets say your tulpa is "I am nice"
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One cannot predict with full accuracy what traits will be shared.
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Hm. It’s environmental factors that teach the behaviors, not necessarily genetics
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However, one can predict that generally speaking, some traits will be shared - merely not specific ones.
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even if you and all your family and all of your mind is mean, your tulpa will be "nice' because when thinking as tulpa, your brain will have been very trained to "think nice'
1:45 AM
what can't change is the underlying knowledge you have, or the experiences you have. You cannot, for example, know what it might mean for a person to "be nice because that's the way they were raised".
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Good point
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I don't nkow if that all is clear or crazy or what
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Byers.-- 📸 5/7/2018 1:45 AM
Makes sense to me!
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:47 AM
It makes sense, I'm just having trouble processing because it feels like what happens when you fill a microwave packed and try and make it do its job. Or when you open Ninety tabs of every program on a five year old computer.
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Guess you need a task manager, huh
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 1:49 AM
Nope. Just new hardware in a different operating system
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ANYWAY luckily, the human mind is the known worlds strongest operating system and the brain the strongest processor.
1:55 AM
Any way you could give me a reason why Nin9 makes my head hurt when I make pushes for them to "wake up?"
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The brain is comparable to a muscle - making a tulpa is training it to do something it doesn't typically do/to think in a way it doesn't typically think (or at least something it hasn't done/thought in the past). Thus, it is strained.
1:59 AM
A comparison in that way would be learning a new type of math which takes time to learn.
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Initially, before you are used to it, it can make your head hurt (as plenty of students can attest to).
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There are certainly other possibilities. If you have been using hte computer for awhile when you are making that push, you could simply be noticing that your head hurts more clearly than you were before paying more attention.
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And while the brain is a very very good processor for what it does, it isn't the best general problem solver
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This is true.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:01 AM
All fair and true points.
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It takes time to learn new behavior - unlike a modern computer, which can simply run a new program with roughly the same efficiency as it can weeks later.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:02 AM
But the message I'm getting here is "keep at it."
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Before that alteration is learned, it takes effort and is more strained.
2:02 AM
Yes.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:03 AM
And while determination and dogmatic tenacity are valuable values and qualities, the common layman cannot attest to truthfully having them. And while I value this as a worthwhile endeavor to help put it into practice it's more than just having "skin in the game" so to speak.
2:04 AM
Maybe I should go look for some meditation guides. Something I'm admittedly bad at is sitting still so I've never "meditated" before in my life. Makes me drowsy
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it's all about embedding tulpamancy as habit in your day to day life
2:05 AM
well, I'm half talking out of my ass here, but the way I look at it is that you will always reset to your "neutral behavior set" given time
2:05 AM
your aim if you want to change the way you act is to change that neutral, not to change your behavior today (edited)
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Meditation could help, certainly. But - in the end, think of it as a learned skill that becomes self-reinforcing once trained to a sufficient degree.
2:06 AM
Obviously, that isn't precisely what making a tulpa is, but there are similarities.
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:07 AM
Jeez, it's like going back to my training. I cannot express my exasperated sigh in text but I suppose it's just another stack to the mountain of files. I hope Nin9 knows the lengths I'm going to for 'em.
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don't worry too much, progress is very hard to un-make once it is made
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:09 AM
My boss and father says damn near the exact same thing.
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Hah.
2:09 AM
I believe you can rest assured that Nin9 will know.
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also
2:11 AM
I want to both scold and praise you for that name (Nin9), if you are the one who came up with it. (edited)
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:21 AM
I am the one that came up with the name and I'd like to hear a reason before I accept said scold and praise.
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Hah.
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just the fact that it's NineNine
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 2:43 AM
Mmm I guess you cold see it that way. However, it's just pronounced as 9. Nine. Nein. The number and so their name is special to me. Special friend deserves a special name.
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Just nine once?
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Jack o' Nin9's 5/7/2018 3:04 AM
Yep.
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Ninety-nine is important too, but it's the singular number that's of true value.
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